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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hei Jacob.<br>
      - og andre som leser.<br>
      <br>
      Vann og sj&oslash;er finner man i datasettet Arealdekke hos kartverket. I
      dette datasettet er det slik at en grense til en sj&oslash; gjerne er
      felles grense med myr, skog dyrket mark eller annet. Kartverket
      har sin versjon av multipolygon for &aring; organisere dette. En sj&oslash; kan
      grense til b&aring;de skog og til myr, og da er sj&oslash;en omringet av 3
      kurver (ways).<br>
      <br>
      N&aring;r vi eventuelt senere importerer skog, vil det kanskje opprettes
      dobbelt opp med linjer og noder i felles grense. Dette vil ta mye
      plass p&aring; server. Har forumet diskutert dette? <br>
      <br>
      Har forumet diskutert hvordan vi takler resten av temaene i
      Arealdekke? Da med tanke p&aring; om det skal benyttes lukkede polygoner
      for hvert tema eller om grensene er felles og arealene dannes som
      multipolygon?<br>
      <br>
      Selv har jeg tilgjengelig proff programvare som kan eksportere til
      shape og forskjellig. Jeg foretrekker en fremgangsm&aring;te der
      kartutsnitt fra SOSI fila leses inn i MS Access. Punktene
      transformeres med GPSUtility til LatLon, og det produseres OSM fil
      fra MS Access ved hjelp av en tabell for oversettelse av koder /
      tags.<br>
      Problemet med dette er at det blir manuell skj&oslash;ting mellom de
      importerte omr&aring;dene (jeg jobber med Tinn og Vinje kommuner som er
      store i areal). Fordelen er at OSM fila har den rette strukturen
      med grenselinjer som ways og der sj&oslash;er, skoger, myrer o.s.v er
      lagret som multipolygon. Dette vil jeg ikke kunne gj&oslash;re med &aring;
      importere tema for tema.<br>
      <br>
      Dersom vi ikke &oslash;nsker &aring; benytte multipolygon i OSM for Norge, vil
      dette v&aelig;re feil av meg &aring; benytte.<br>
      <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">-- 
Svein Olav Hagen
mob 954 28 325
tel 35 07 33 39
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:svein.olav@lyslid.no">svein.olav@lyslid.no</a></pre>
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      Den 22.05.2014 16:29, skrev Jakob Toftk&aelig;r:<br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hej Torstein,<br>
        Her er en quick-and-dirty fremgangsm&aring;de. Det kan helt sikkert
        g&oslash;res bedre og jeg har muligvis glemt/overset noget vigtigt.
        Feedback er som altid velkomment.<br>
        <br>
        Download relevant data hos Kartvesnets hjemmeside<br>
        Hent OSGeo4W og installer. V&aelig;lg avanceret installation og
        inkluder SOSI modul<br>
        Start OSGeo4W shell. G&aring; til kataloget med kort data(.SOSI) og
        k&oslash;r f&oslash;lgende kommando: ogr2ogr -f "ESRI Shapefile" {Destination}
        Arealdekke.sos hvor Arealdekke.sos er datafilen<br>
        Start JOSM og &aring;ben polygons.shp fra din destinationsfolder
        (kr&aelig;ver muligvis import plugin, er ikke sikker)<br>
        "Search" Innsj&oslash; og kopier de valgte s&oslash;er over i et nyt "layer"<br>
        Med alle Innsj&oslash;'er valgt, "Unselect Nodes", &aelig;ndre H&Oslash;YDE tagget
        til "ele" p&aring; de resterene "Ways", tilf&oslash;j "natural=water",
        source=Kartverket, source:date={dato} og slet de resterende tags<br>
        Download OSM data fra hele den kommune du har Innsj&oslash; data fra og
        kopier dine redigerede Innsj&oslash; data over i samme layer<br>
        K&oslash;r en "Validation" p&aring; de samlede data. Du vil sikkert f&aring; et hav
        af advarsler. En af katagorierne er "Overlapping water areas"<br>
        Gennemg&aring; alle advarslerne og slet, merge eller hvad der nu er
        bedst for at sikre sig at der ikke er 2 versioner af s&oslash;erne<br>
        N&aring;r alt er tjekket og OK upload data til OSM<br>
        <br>
        Som sagt s&aring; er jeg sikker p&aring; at der er andre der ligger inde med
        en bedre fremgangsm&aring;de.<br>
        <br>
        /Jakob<br>
        <br>
        On 22.05.14 09:37, Torstein Ingebrigtsen B&oslash; wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CAAQTvCZ3WPYxAYsnF83-2K05rXGMGrzY3UK+LLTPEDbTJTJO1A@mail.gmail.com"
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        <div dir="ltr">Hei Jakob,
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>Jeg vil gjerne gj&oslash;re det samme for andre plasser i
            landet. Kan du lage en kort beskrivelse av hvordan du gjorde
            dette? F.eks. hvilke verkt&oslash;y brukte du?<br>
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              <div>Hilsen<br>
                Torstein</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div class="gmail_quote">
                <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
                  .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
                  Date:&nbsp;Thu, 22 May 2014 09:19:29 +0200 (CEST)<br>
                  Subject:&nbsp;Re: [NUUG kart] Import af s&oslash;er fra Kartverket<br>
                  <div>
                    <p style="margin:0"> <span> Skyldes det ikke at
                        serveren stadig er ved at opdatere kortet?
                        Indtil den er f&aelig;rdig vil de forskellige "tiles"
                        p&aring; forskellige zoom-levels ikke n&oslash;dvendigvis
                        stemme overens med de data der ligger i
                        databasen. Jeg vil tro det er opdateret om 1-2
                        dage. <span>Klik p&aring; Edit for at se hvad der
                          faktisk findes i omr&aring;det.</span> </span> </p>
                    <p style="margin:0px">&nbsp;</p>
                    <p style="margin:0px">/Jakob</p>
                    <p style="margin:0px">&nbsp;</p>
                    <div style="margin:5px 0px 5px 0px"> <br>
                      Den 22. maj 2014 kl. 09:00 skrev "Arne &Oslash;stensen"
                      &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:aostens@gmail.com" target="_blank">aostens@gmail.com</a>&gt;:


                      <br>
                      <br>
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                        <blockquote
                          style="margin-left:0px;padding-left:10px;border-left:solid
                          1px blue"> Flott Jakob! Tydelig at Forsand har
                          f&aring;tt mange nye bl&aring; flekker.&nbsp; <br>
                          Jeg ser p&aring; omr&aring;det rundt Vikastakken ( <a
                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/58.9247/6.1446"
                            target="_blank">http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/58.9247/6.1446</a>
                          ). Her er det noen vann med navn og noen uten.
                          Hvis jeg zoomer fra 300 meter til 200 meter
                          forsvinner noen vann mens andre blir. <br>
                          Har du noen forklaring p&aring; dette? <br>
                          <br>
                          Arne
                          <div>Den <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="tel:21.05.2014" value="+4721052014"
                              target="_blank">21.05.2014</a> 19:43,
                            skrev Jakob Toftk&aelig;r:</div>
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                            <div> S&aring; skulle Forsand kommune v&aelig;re
                              opdateret med s&oslash;er fra Kartverket - ca.
                              81.000 objekter blev det til. Der skulle
                              omkring 250 manuelle &aelig;ndringer til, nogle
                              gange beholdt jeg de oprindelige data
                              andre gange beholdt jeg data fra
                              Kartverket afh&aelig;ngig af hvad der s&aring; bedst
                              ud. Det tog 2-3 timers ekstra arbejde. <br>
                              <br>
                              Uploaden blev afbrudt 6-7 gange s&aring; jeg er
                              ikke 100% sikker p&aring; at JOSM i sidste ende
                              fik alle &aelig;ndringer med. Det ser dog ganske
                              fornuftigt ud i omr&aring;det omrking
                              Lysefjorden. <br>
                              <br>
                              /Jakob <br>
                              <br>
                              On <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="tel:21.05.14%2009"
                                value="+4721051409" target="_blank">21.05.14

                                09</a>:35, Espen Oldeman Lund wrote: </div>
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                              <div dir="ltr"> Det g&aring;r bra. Bedre med noe
                                import enn ingenting :-)
                                <div>&nbsp;</div>
                                <div>De vannene som blir liggende p&aring;
                                  kommunegrensene kan vi importere med
                                  det landsdekkende datasettet i
                                  etterkant.&nbsp;</div>
                                <div>&nbsp;</div>
                                <div>Si gjerne ifra her om framgang slik
                                  at jeg og andre kan f&oslash;lge opp for
                                  resten av landet seinere.&nbsp;</div>
                                <div>&nbsp;</div>
                                <div>Espen</div>
                              </div>
                              <div class="gmail_extra"> <br>
                                <br>
                                <div class="gmail_quote"> 2014-05-21
                                  9:29 GMT+02:00 "Jakob Toftk&aelig;r" <span>
                                    &lt; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="mailto:jakob@toftkaer.dk"
                                      target="_blank">jakob@toftkaer.dk</a>
                                    &gt; </span> : <br>
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                                      <p style="margin:0"> <span>Jeg er
                                          grundl&aelig;ggende enig at man
                                          burde importere et
                                          landsd&aelig;kkende dataset men jeg
                                          er realistisk omkring mine
                                          egne evner og &oslash;nsker derfor at
                                          g&oslash;re det simpelt. Men plan var
                                          at benytte JOSMs validator til
                                          at fort&aelig;lle mig om der i
                                          forvejen var et "area" p&aring;
                                          stedet for s&oslash;erne. Hvis der
                                          var et overlap ville jeg
                                          slette den relevante s&oslash; fra
                                          Kartverket dataene. Dette
                                          burde kunne g&oslash;res manuelt for
                                          et begr&aelig;nset omr&aring;de(selv en
                                          kommune med 6000 s&oslash;er) men
                                          ikke for et helt land.</span>
                                      </p>
                                      <p style="margin:0"> <span>&nbsp;</span>
                                      </p>
                                      <p style="margin:0"> <span> Hvis
                                          det er noget som kan g&oslash;res
                                          automatisk og i n&aelig;r fremtid <span>s&aring;

                                            er der helt sikkert mere
                                            kvalificerede folk derude
                                            end mig :-)&nbsp;og der er ingen
                                            grund til at arbejde videre
                                            med projektet.</span> </span>
                                      </p>
                                      <p style="margin:0"> <span> <span>
                                            <br>
                                          </span> </span> </p>
                                      <p style="margin:0">/Jakob</p>
                                      <div style="margin:5px 0px 5px
                                        0px"> <br>
                                        Den 21. maj 2014 kl. 08:51 skrev
                                        Espen Oldeman Lund &lt; <a
                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                                          href="mailto:espen@espenpost.com"
                                          target="_blank">espen@espenpost.com</a>
                                        &gt;: <br>
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                                          <div> <br>
                                            <div>
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                                                <div dir="ltr"> Bra om
                                                  du tar litt tak i
                                                  vann/innsj&oslash;er. Har
                                                  tenkt &aring; gj&oslash;re noe med
                                                  det sj&oslash;l og i tillegg
                                                  ta inn navn p&aring; de
                                                  vannobjektene vi
                                                  allerede har.&nbsp;
                                                  <div>&nbsp;</div>
                                                  <div>Men for &aring; slippe
                                                    problemet med kutta
                                                    vannobjekter p&aring;
                                                    kommunegrensene s&aring;
                                                    kan det kanskje v&aelig;re
                                                    lurt &aring; bruke GeoJSON
                                                    datasettet som er
                                                    landsdekkende?</div>
                                                  <div> <a
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href="http://data.kartverket.no/download/content/n50-kartdata-wgs84-hele-landet-geojson"
                                                      target="_blank">http://data.kartverket.no/download/content/n50-kartdata-wgs84-hele-landet-geojson</a>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div>&nbsp;</div>
                                                  <div>&nbsp;</div>
                                                  <div> Du m&aring; vel i alle
                                                    fall passe p&aring; at du
                                                    ikke tar inn
                                                    objekter der OSM
                                                    allerede har vannet
                                                    inne fra f&oslash;r av. S&aring;
                                                    vi burde ha sjekka
                                                    om polygonene
                                                    intersects( <a
                                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://postgis.org/docs/ST_Intersects.html" target="_blank">http://postgis.org/docs/ST_Intersects.html</a>
                                                    ).&nbsp; </div>
                                                  <div>&nbsp;</div>
                                                  <div>Det er jo ogs&aring; et
                                                    sp&oslash;rsm&aring;l om vann som
                                                    henta inn fra
                                                    Landsat og liknende
                                                    b&oslash;r byttes ut med
                                                    objekter fra
                                                    Kartverket. Men det
                                                    er vel kanskje
                                                    vanskelig &aring; gj&oslash;re
                                                    det automatisk.
                                                    Kanskje sjekke
                                                    source-taggen?</div>
                                                  <div>&nbsp;</div>
                                                  <div>Espen</div>
                                                  <div>&nbsp;</div>
                                                  <div>&nbsp;</div>
                                                </div>
                                                <div class="gmail_extra">
                                                  <br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  <div
                                                    class="gmail_quote">
                                                    2014-05-20 19:16
                                                    GMT+02:00 Jakob
                                                    Toftk&aelig;r <span> &lt;
                                                      <a
                                                        moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:jakob@toftkaer.dk" target="_blank">jakob@toftkaer.dk</a>
                                                      &gt; </span> : <br>
                                                    <blockquote
                                                      style="margin:0 0
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                                                      #ccc
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                                                      <div> Jeg var en
                                                        tur til Lysebotn
                                                        og lagde m&aelig;rke
                                                        til at der stort
                                                        set ikke var
                                                        s&oslash;er integnet
                                                        langs vejen. Jeg
                                                        begyndte at
                                                        indtegne nogle
                                                        stykker men
                                                        fandt hurtigt ud
                                                        af at det ikke
                                                        var realistisk
                                                        at blive f&aelig;rdig.
                                                        Fandt i stedet
                                                        nogle data hos
                                                        Kartverket(
                                                        Kartdata_1129_Forsand_UTM32_N50_SOSI.zip
                                                        ) som jeg fik
                                                        importeret i
                                                        JOSM. Har
                                                        filtreret alt
                                                        v&aelig;k undtagen
                                                        "inns&oslash;er", har
                                                        tagget
                                                        "natural=water",
                                                        "source=kartverket"

                                                        "source:date=2014-06-20"

                                                        samt omd&oslash;bt
                                                        H&Oslash;YDE til "ele".
                                                        <br>
                                                        <br>
                                                        F&oslash;r jeg laver
                                                        noget jeg
                                                        fortryder vil
                                                        jeg forh&oslash;re mig
                                                        her f&oslash;rst. Det
                                                        drejer sig om
                                                        over 6000 ways
                                                        s&aring; jeg kan
                                                        umuligt tjekke
                                                        dem alle sammen.
                                                        Hvad skal jeg
                                                        unders&oslash;ge f&oslash;r
                                                        jeg uploader,
                                                        jeg kan se at
                                                        nogle af s&oslash;erne
                                                        i udkandten af
                                                        datas&aelig;ttet er
                                                        sk&aring;ret over og
                                                        skal derfor
                                                        fjernes- g&aring;r ud
                                                        fra at det sker
                                                        ved
                                                        kommunegr&aelig;nsen?
                                                        <br>
                                                        <br>
                                                        JOSM vil advare
                                                        om 2 s&oslash;er der
                                                        ligger oven p&aring;
                                                        hinanden s&aring; jeg
                                                        p&aring; den m&aring;de kan
                                                        undg&aring; at
                                                        overskrive en
                                                        allerede
                                                        eksisterende s&oslash;,
                                                        ikke? <br>
                                                        <br>
                                                        mvh Jakob </div>
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href="http://www.turkompisen.no" target="_blank">http://www.turkompisen.no</a>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <a
                                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.kresendo.no/" target="_blank">http://www.kresendo.no/</a>
                                                  <br>
                                                  <div> <a
                                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://no.linkedin.com/in/espenisaksen" target="_blank">http://no.linkedin.com/in/espenisaksen</a>
                                                    <br>
                                                  </div>
                                                </div>
                                              </blockquote>
                                              <br>
                                              &nbsp; </div>
                                          </div>
                                        </div>
                                      </div>
                                    </div>
                                  </blockquote>
                                </div>
                                <br>
                                <br clear="all">
                                <div>&nbsp;</div>
                                -- <br>
                                <div> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    href="http://www.turkompisen.no"
                                    target="_blank">http://www.turkompisen.no</a>
                                </div>
                                <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="http://www.kresendo.no/"
                                  target="_blank">http://www.kresendo.no/</a>
                                <br>
                                <div> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    href="http://no.linkedin.com/in/espenisaksen"
                                    target="_blank">http://no.linkedin.com/in/espenisaksen</a>
                                  <br>
                                  <br>
                                </div>
                              </div>
                            </blockquote>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            <pre>       _______________________________________________
       kart mailing list
       <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:kart@nuug.no" target="_blank">kart@nuug.no</a>
       <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://lists.nuug.no/mailman/listinfo/kart" target="_blank">http://lists.nuug.no/mailman/listinfo/kart</a>
      </pre>
                          </blockquote>
                          <br>
                          <pre>      --
      Arne &Oslash;stensen
      Byhaugveien 15
      4024 Stavanger
      Tlf. <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="tel:95984180" value="+4795984180" target="_blank">95984180</a>
     </pre>
                        </blockquote>
                        <br>
                        &nbsp; </div>
                    </div>
                  </div>
                  <br>
                  <br>
                  ---------- Videresendt e-post ----------<br>
                  From:&nbsp;Espen Oldeman Lund &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="mailto:espen@espenpost.com">espen@espenpost.com</a>&gt;<br>
                  To:&nbsp;"Jakob Toftk&aelig;r" &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="mailto:jakob@toftkaer.dk">jakob@toftkaer.dk</a>&gt;<br>
                  Cc:&nbsp;NUUGs kartliste &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="mailto:kart@nuug.no">kart@nuug.no</a>&gt;<br>
                  Date:&nbsp;Thu, 22 May 2014 09:29:23 +0200<br>
                  Subject:&nbsp;Re: [NUUG kart] Import af s&oslash;er fra Kartverket<br>
                  <div dir="ltr">Det vil jeg tru er grunnen ogs&aring; Jakob.
                    Bra jobba for&oslash;vrig!
                    <div> <br>
                    </div>
                    <div>Utelot du vann som gikk over kommunegrensa?</div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>Espen</div>
                  </div>
                  <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                    <br>
                    <div class="gmail_quote"> 2014-05-22 9:19 GMT+02:00
                      "Jakob Toftk&aelig;r" <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:jakob@toftkaer.dk"
                          target="_blank">jakob@toftkaer.dk</a>&gt;</span>:<br>
                      <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0
                        0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc
                        solid;padding-left:1ex">
                        <div>
                          <p style="margin:0"> <span> Skyldes det ikke
                              at serveren stadig er ved at opdatere
                              kortet? Indtil den er f&aelig;rdig vil de
                              forskellige "tiles" p&aring; forskellige
                              zoom-levels ikke n&oslash;dvendigvis stemme
                              overens med de data der ligger i
                              databasen. Jeg vil tro det er opdateret om
                              1-2 dage. <span>Klik p&aring; Edit for at se
                                hvad der faktisk findes i omr&aring;det.</span>
                            </span> </p>
                          <p style="margin:0px">&nbsp;</p>
                          <p style="margin:0px">/Jakob</p>
                          <p style="margin:0px">&nbsp;</p>
                          <div style="margin:5px 0px 5px 0px"> <br>
                            Den 22. maj 2014 kl. 09:00 skrev "Arne
                            &Oslash;stensen" &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:aostens@gmail.com"
                              target="_blank">aostens@gmail.com</a>&gt;:
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            <div>
                              <blockquote
                                style="margin-left:0px;padding-left:10px;border-left:solid
                                1px blue">
                                <div> Flott Jakob! Tydelig at Forsand
                                  har f&aring;tt mange nye bl&aring; flekker.&nbsp; <br>
                                </div>
                                Jeg ser p&aring; omr&aring;det rundt Vikastakken ( <a
                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/58.9247/6.1446"
                                  target="_blank">http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/58.9247/6.1446</a>
                                ). Her er det noen vann med navn og noen
                                uten. Hvis jeg zoomer fra 300 meter til
                                200 meter forsvinner noen vann mens
                                andre blir. <br>
                                <div>
                                  <div> Har du noen forklaring p&aring; dette?
                                    <br>
                                    <br>
                                    Arne
                                    <div>Den <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                        href="tel:21.05.2014%2019"
                                        value="+12105201419"
                                        target="_blank">21.05.2014 19</a>:43,

                                      skrev Jakob Toftk&aelig;r:</div>
                                    <blockquote>
                                      <div> S&aring; skulle Forsand kommune
                                        v&aelig;re opdateret med s&oslash;er fra
                                        Kartverket - ca. 81.000 objekter
                                        blev det til. Der skulle omkring
                                        250 manuelle &aelig;ndringer til,
                                        nogle gange beholdt jeg de
                                        oprindelige data andre gange
                                        beholdt jeg data fra Kartverket
                                        afh&aelig;ngig af hvad der s&aring; bedst
                                        ud. Det tog 2-3 timers ekstra
                                        arbejde. <br>
                                        <br>
                                        Uploaden blev afbrudt 6-7 gange
                                        s&aring; jeg er ikke 100% sikker p&aring; at
                                        JOSM i sidste ende fik alle
                                        &aelig;ndringer med. Det ser dog
                                        ganske fornuftigt ud i omr&aring;det
                                        omrking Lysefjorden. <br>
                                        <br>
                                        /Jakob <br>
                                        <br>
                                        On <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                          href="tel:21.05.14%2009"
                                          value="+4721051409"
                                          target="_blank">21.05.14 09</a>:35,

                                        Espen Oldeman Lund wrote: </div>
                                      <blockquote>
                                        <div dir="ltr"> Det g&aring;r bra.
                                          Bedre med noe import enn
                                          ingenting :-)
                                          <div>&nbsp;</div>
                                          <div>De vannene som blir
                                            liggende p&aring; kommunegrensene
                                            kan vi importere med det
                                            landsdekkende datasettet i
                                            etterkant.&nbsp;</div>
                                          <div>&nbsp;</div>
                                          <div>Si gjerne ifra her om
                                            framgang slik at jeg og
                                            andre kan f&oslash;lge opp for
                                            resten av landet seinere.&nbsp;</div>
                                          <div>&nbsp;</div>
                                          <div>Espen</div>
                                        </div>
                                        <div class="gmail_extra"> <br>
                                          <br>
                                          <div class="gmail_quote">
                                            2014-05-21 9:29 GMT+02:00
                                            "Jakob Toftk&aelig;r" <span> &lt;
                                              <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:jakob@toftkaer.dk" target="_blank">jakob@toftkaer.dk</a>
                                              &gt; </span> : <br>
                                            <blockquote style="margin:0
                                              0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px
                                              #ccc
                                              solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                              <div>
                                                <p style="margin:0"> <span>Jeg

                                                    er grundl&aelig;ggende
                                                    enig at man burde
                                                    importere et
                                                    landsd&aelig;kkende
                                                    dataset men jeg er
                                                    realistisk omkring
                                                    mine egne evner og
                                                    &oslash;nsker derfor at
                                                    g&oslash;re det simpelt.
                                                    Men plan var at
                                                    benytte JOSMs
                                                    validator til at
                                                    fort&aelig;lle mig om der
                                                    i forvejen var et
                                                    "area" p&aring; stedet for
                                                    s&oslash;erne. Hvis der var
                                                    et overlap ville jeg
                                                    slette den relevante
                                                    s&oslash; fra Kartverket
                                                    dataene. Dette burde
                                                    kunne g&oslash;res manuelt
                                                    for et begr&aelig;nset
                                                    omr&aring;de(selv en
                                                    kommune med 6000
                                                    s&oslash;er) men ikke for
                                                    et helt land.</span>
                                                </p>
                                                <p style="margin:0"> <span>&nbsp;</span>
                                                </p>
                                                <p style="margin:0"> <span>
                                                    Hvis det er noget
                                                    som kan g&oslash;res
                                                    automatisk og i n&aelig;r
                                                    fremtid <span>s&aring; er
                                                      der helt sikkert
                                                      mere kvalificerede
                                                      folk derude end
                                                      mig :-)&nbsp;og der er
                                                      ingen grund til at
                                                      arbejde videre med
                                                      projektet.</span>
                                                  </span> </p>
                                                <p style="margin:0"> <span>
                                                    <span> <br>
                                                    </span> </span> </p>
                                                <p style="margin:0">/Jakob</p>
                                                <div style="margin:5px
                                                  0px 5px 0px"> <br>
                                                  Den 21. maj 2014 kl.
                                                  08:51 skrev Espen
                                                  Oldeman Lund &lt; <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:espen@espenpost.com" target="_blank">espen@espenpost.com</a>
                                                  &gt;: <br>
                                                  <div>
                                                    <div> <br>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <blockquote
                                                          style="margin-left:0px;padding-left:10px;border-left:solid
                                                          1px blue">
                                                          <div dir="ltr">
                                                          Bra om du tar
                                                          litt tak i
                                                          vann/innsj&oslash;er.
                                                          Har tenkt &aring;
                                                          gj&oslash;re noe med
                                                          det sj&oslash;l og i
                                                          tillegg ta inn
                                                          navn p&aring; de
                                                          vannobjektene
                                                          vi allerede
                                                          har.&nbsp;
                                                          <div>&nbsp;</div>
                                                          <div>Men for &aring;
                                                          slippe
                                                          problemet med
                                                          kutta
                                                          vannobjekter
                                                          p&aring;
                                                          kommunegrensene
                                                          s&aring; kan det
                                                          kanskje v&aelig;re
                                                          lurt &aring; bruke
                                                          GeoJSON
                                                          datasettet som
                                                          er
                                                          landsdekkende?</div>
                                                          <div> <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://data.kartverket.no/download/content/n50-kartdata-wgs84-hele-landet-geojson"
target="_blank">http://data.kartverket.no/download/content/n50-kartdata-wgs84-hele-landet-geojson</a>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>&nbsp;</div>
                                                          <div>&nbsp;</div>
                                                          <div> Du m&aring;
                                                          vel i alle
                                                          fall passe p&aring;
                                                          at du ikke tar
                                                          inn objekter
                                                          der OSM
                                                          allerede har
                                                          vannet inne
                                                          fra f&oslash;r av. S&aring;
                                                          vi burde ha
                                                          sjekka om
                                                          polygonene
                                                          intersects( <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://postgis.org/docs/ST_Intersects.html"
target="_blank">http://postgis.org/docs/ST_Intersects.html</a> ).&nbsp; </div>
                                                          <div>&nbsp;</div>
                                                          <div>Det er jo
                                                          ogs&aring; et
                                                          sp&oslash;rsm&aring;l om
                                                          vann som henta
                                                          inn fra
                                                          Landsat og
                                                          liknende b&oslash;r
                                                          byttes ut med
                                                          objekter fra
                                                          Kartverket.
                                                          Men det er vel
                                                          kanskje
                                                          vanskelig &aring;
                                                          gj&oslash;re det
                                                          automatisk.
                                                          Kanskje sjekke
                                                          source-taggen?</div>
                                                          <div>&nbsp;</div>
                                                          <div>Espen</div>
                                                          <div>&nbsp;</div>
                                                          <div>&nbsp;</div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="gmail_extra">
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="gmail_quote">
                                                          2014-05-20
                                                          19:16
                                                          GMT+02:00
                                                          Jakob Toftk&aelig;r
                                                          <span> &lt; <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:jakob@toftkaer.dk" target="_blank">jakob@toftkaer.dk</a>
                                                          &gt; </span>
                                                          : <br>
                                                          <blockquote
                                                          style="margin:0
                                                          0 0
                                                          .8ex;border-left:1px
                                                          #ccc
                                                          solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                                          <div> Jeg var
                                                          en tur til
                                                          Lysebotn og
                                                          lagde m&aelig;rke
                                                          til at der
                                                          stort set ikke
                                                          var s&oslash;er
                                                          integnet langs
                                                          vejen. Jeg
                                                          begyndte at
                                                          indtegne nogle
                                                          stykker men
                                                          fandt hurtigt
                                                          ud af at det
                                                          ikke var
                                                          realistisk at
                                                          blive f&aelig;rdig.
                                                          Fandt i stedet
                                                          nogle data hos
                                                          Kartverket(
                                                          Kartdata_1129_Forsand_UTM32_N50_SOSI.zip
                                                          ) som jeg fik
                                                          importeret i
                                                          JOSM. Har
                                                          filtreret alt
                                                          v&aelig;k undtagen
                                                          "inns&oslash;er", har
                                                          tagget
                                                          "natural=water",
                                                          "source=kartverket"

                                                          "source:date=2014-06-20"

                                                          samt omd&oslash;bt
                                                          H&Oslash;YDE til
                                                          "ele". <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          F&oslash;r jeg laver
                                                          noget jeg
                                                          fortryder vil
                                                          jeg forh&oslash;re
                                                          mig her f&oslash;rst.
                                                          Det drejer sig
                                                          om over 6000
                                                          ways s&aring; jeg
                                                          kan umuligt
                                                          tjekke dem
                                                          alle sammen.
                                                          Hvad skal jeg
                                                          unders&oslash;ge f&oslash;r
                                                          jeg uploader,
                                                          jeg kan se at
                                                          nogle af
                                                          s&oslash;erne i
                                                          udkandten af
                                                          datas&aelig;ttet er
                                                          sk&aring;ret over og
                                                          skal derfor
                                                          fjernes- g&aring;r
                                                          ud fra at det
                                                          sker ved
                                                          kommunegr&aelig;nsen?
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          JOSM vil
                                                          advare om 2
                                                          s&oslash;er der
                                                          ligger oven p&aring;
                                                          hinanden s&aring;
                                                          jeg p&aring; den
                                                          m&aring;de kan undg&aring;
                                                          at overskrive
                                                          en allerede
                                                          eksisterende
                                                          s&oslash;, ikke? <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          mvh Jakob </div>
                                                          <br>
                                                          _______________________________________________


                                                          <br>
                                                          kart mailing
                                                          list <br>
                                                          <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:kart@nuug.no" target="_blank">kart@nuug.no</a> <br>
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                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://lists.nuug.no/mailman/listinfo/kart" target="_blank">http://lists.nuug.no/mailman/listinfo/kart</a>
                                                          </blockquote>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br
                                                          clear="all">
                                                          <div>&nbsp;</div>
                                                          -- <br>
                                                          <div> <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.turkompisen.no" target="_blank">http://www.turkompisen.no</a>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.kresendo.no/" target="_blank">http://www.kresendo.no/</a>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <div> <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://no.linkedin.com/in/espenisaksen" target="_blank">http://no.linkedin.com/in/espenisaksen</a>
                                                          <br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                        </blockquote>
                                                        <br>
                                                        &nbsp; </div>
                                                    </div>
                                                  </div>
                                                </div>
                                              </div>
                                            </blockquote>
                                          </div>
                                          <br>
                                          <br clear="all">
                                          <div>&nbsp;</div>
                                          -- <br>
                                          <div> <a
                                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                                              href="http://www.turkompisen.no"
                                              target="_blank">http://www.turkompisen.no</a>
                                          </div>
                                          <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                            href="http://www.kresendo.no/"
                                            target="_blank">http://www.kresendo.no/</a>
                                          <br>
                                          <div> <a
                                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                                              href="http://no.linkedin.com/in/espenisaksen"
                                              target="_blank">http://no.linkedin.com/in/espenisaksen</a>
                                            <br>
                                            <br>
                                          </div>
                                        </div>
                                      </blockquote>
                                      <br>
                                      <br>
                                      <br>
                                      <pre>       _______________________________________________
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