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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hej Svein,<br>
      JOSM validator kan finde "duplicate nodes" s&aring; hvis du separat
      importerer 2 arealer der deler en "way" kan du fjerne de
      overfl&oslash;dige nodes automatisk bagefter. N&aring;r det er sagt s&aring; kommer
      man hurtigt til at skulle bruge meget tid p&aring; manuelt at oprette
      multipolygons p&aring; fx. s&oslash;er der ligger i skove s&aring; ved jeg ikke om
      det er realistisk at importere st&oslash;rre m&aelig;ngder data p&aring; denne m&aring;de.<br>
      <br>
      Vil det v&aelig;re helt ut&aelig;nkeligt at slette mere eller mindre alt
      relevant data i OSM og starte p&aring; ny med data fra Kartverket? Mit
      indtryk er at kvaliteten af KV data er fuldt p&aring; h&oslash;jde med de
      bedste data i OSM og er langt mere d&aelig;kkende. Hvor lang tid vil det
      tage at tilpasse importeret data hvis man l&aelig;gger hele KV over i
      OSM frem for at skulle bruge manuelt arbejde p&aring; at foretage
      individuelle imports a la det vi g&oslash;r nu hvor man skal v&aelig;re
      forsigtig med at overskrive eksisterende data? <br>
      /Jakob<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      On 22.05.14 21:44, Svein Olav wrote:<br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hei Jacob.<br>
        - og andre som leser.<br>
        <br>
        Vann og sj&oslash;er finner man i datasettet Arealdekke hos kartverket.
        I dette datasettet er det slik at en grense til en sj&oslash; gjerne er
        felles grense med myr, skog dyrket mark eller annet. Kartverket
        har sin versjon av multipolygon for &aring; organisere dette. En sj&oslash;
        kan grense til b&aring;de skog og til myr, og da er sj&oslash;en omringet av
        3 kurver (ways).<br>
        <br>
        N&aring;r vi eventuelt senere importerer skog, vil det kanskje
        opprettes dobbelt opp med linjer og noder i felles grense. Dette
        vil ta mye plass p&aring; server. Har forumet diskutert dette? <br>
        <br>
        Har forumet diskutert hvordan vi takler resten av temaene i
        Arealdekke? Da med tanke p&aring; om det skal benyttes lukkede
        polygoner for hvert tema eller om grensene er felles og arealene
        dannes som multipolygon?<br>
        <br>
        Selv har jeg tilgjengelig proff programvare som kan eksportere
        til shape og forskjellig. Jeg foretrekker en fremgangsm&aring;te der
        kartutsnitt fra SOSI fila leses inn i MS Access. Punktene
        transformeres med GPSUtility til LatLon, og det produseres OSM
        fil fra MS Access ved hjelp av en tabell for oversettelse av
        koder / tags.<br>
        Problemet med dette er at det blir manuell skj&oslash;ting mellom de
        importerte omr&aring;dene (jeg jobber med Tinn og Vinje kommuner som
        er store i areal). Fordelen er at OSM fila har den rette
        strukturen med grenselinjer som ways og der sj&oslash;er, skoger, myrer
        o.s.v er lagret som multipolygon. Dette vil jeg ikke kunne gj&oslash;re
        med &aring; importere tema for tema.<br>
        <br>
        Dersom vi ikke &oslash;nsker &aring; benytte multipolygon i OSM for Norge,
        vil dette v&aelig;re feil av meg &aring; benytte.<br>
        <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">-- 
Svein Olav Hagen
mob 954 28 325
tel 35 07 33 39
<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:svein.olav@lyslid.no">svein.olav@lyslid.no</a></pre>
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        Den 22.05.2014 16:29, skrev Jakob Toftk&aelig;r:<br>
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        <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hej Torstein,<br>
          Her er en quick-and-dirty fremgangsm&aring;de. Det kan helt sikkert
          g&oslash;res bedre og jeg har muligvis glemt/overset noget vigtigt.
          Feedback er som altid velkomment.<br>
          <br>
          Download relevant data hos Kartvesnets hjemmeside<br>
          Hent OSGeo4W og installer. V&aelig;lg avanceret installation og
          inkluder SOSI modul<br>
          Start OSGeo4W shell. G&aring; til kataloget med kort data(.SOSI) og
          k&oslash;r f&oslash;lgende kommando: ogr2ogr -f "ESRI Shapefile"
          {Destination} Arealdekke.sos hvor Arealdekke.sos er datafilen<br>
          Start JOSM og &aring;ben polygons.shp fra din destinationsfolder
          (kr&aelig;ver muligvis import plugin, er ikke sikker)<br>
          "Search" Innsj&oslash; og kopier de valgte s&oslash;er over i et nyt "layer"<br>
          Med alle Innsj&oslash;'er valgt, "Unselect Nodes", &aelig;ndre H&Oslash;YDE tagget
          til "ele" p&aring; de resterene "Ways", tilf&oslash;j "natural=water",
          source=Kartverket, source:date={dato} og slet de resterende
          tags<br>
          Download OSM data fra hele den kommune du har Innsj&oslash; data fra
          og kopier dine redigerede Innsj&oslash; data over i samme layer<br>
          K&oslash;r en "Validation" p&aring; de samlede data. Du vil sikkert f&aring; et
          hav af advarsler. En af katagorierne er "Overlapping water
          areas"<br>
          Gennemg&aring; alle advarslerne og slet, merge eller hvad der nu er
          bedst for at sikre sig at der ikke er 2 versioner af s&oslash;erne<br>
          N&aring;r alt er tjekket og OK upload data til OSM<br>
          <br>
          Som sagt s&aring; er jeg sikker p&aring; at der er andre der ligger inde
          med en bedre fremgangsm&aring;de.<br>
          <br>
          /Jakob<br>
          <br>
          On 22.05.14 09:37, Torstein Ingebrigtsen B&oslash; wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CAAQTvCZ3WPYxAYsnF83-2K05rXGMGrzY3UK+LLTPEDbTJTJO1A@mail.gmail.com"
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          <div dir="ltr">Hei Jakob,
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>Jeg vil gjerne gj&oslash;re det samme for andre plasser i
              landet. Kan du lage en kort beskrivelse av hvordan du
              gjorde dette? F.eks. hvilke verkt&oslash;y brukte du?<br>
              <div class="gmail_extra"> <br clear="all">
                <div>Hilsen<br>
                  Torstein</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div class="gmail_quote">
                  <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
                    .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
                    Date:&nbsp;Thu, 22 May 2014 09:19:29 +0200 (CEST)<br>
                    Subject:&nbsp;Re: [NUUG kart] Import af s&oslash;er fra
                    Kartverket<br>
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                      <p style="margin:0"> <span> Skyldes det ikke at
                          serveren stadig er ved at opdatere kortet?
                          Indtil den er f&aelig;rdig vil de forskellige
                          "tiles" p&aring; forskellige zoom-levels ikke
                          n&oslash;dvendigvis stemme overens med de data der
                          ligger i databasen. Jeg vil tro det er
                          opdateret om 1-2 dage. <span>Klik p&aring; Edit for
                            at se hvad der faktisk findes i omr&aring;det.</span>
                        </span> </p>
                      <p style="margin:0px">&nbsp;</p>
                      <p style="margin:0px">/Jakob</p>
                      <p style="margin:0px">&nbsp;</p>
                      <div style="margin:5px 0px 5px 0px"> <br>
                        Den 22. maj 2014 kl. 09:00 skrev "Arne &Oslash;stensen"
                        &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:aostens@gmail.com"
                          target="_blank">aostens@gmail.com</a>&gt;: <br>
                        <br>
                        <div>
                          <blockquote
                            style="margin-left:0px;padding-left:10px;border-left:solid
                            1px blue"> Flott Jakob! Tydelig at Forsand
                            har f&aring;tt mange nye bl&aring; flekker.&nbsp; <br>
                            Jeg ser p&aring; omr&aring;det rundt Vikastakken ( <a
                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/58.9247/6.1446"
                              target="_blank">http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/58.9247/6.1446</a>
                            ). Her er det noen vann med navn og noen
                            uten. Hvis jeg zoomer fra 300 meter til 200
                            meter forsvinner noen vann mens andre blir.
                            <br>
                            Har du noen forklaring p&aring; dette? <br>
                            <br>
                            Arne
                            <div>Den <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="tel:21.05.2014"
                                value="+4721052014" target="_blank">21.05.2014</a>
                              19:43, skrev Jakob Toftk&aelig;r:</div>
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                              <div> S&aring; skulle Forsand kommune v&aelig;re
                                opdateret med s&oslash;er fra Kartverket - ca.
                                81.000 objekter blev det til. Der skulle
                                omkring 250 manuelle &aelig;ndringer til,
                                nogle gange beholdt jeg de oprindelige
                                data andre gange beholdt jeg data fra
                                Kartverket afh&aelig;ngig af hvad der s&aring; bedst
                                ud. Det tog 2-3 timers ekstra arbejde. <br>
                                <br>
                                Uploaden blev afbrudt 6-7 gange s&aring; jeg
                                er ikke 100% sikker p&aring; at JOSM i sidste
                                ende fik alle &aelig;ndringer med. Det ser dog
                                ganske fornuftigt ud i omr&aring;det omrking
                                Lysefjorden. <br>
                                <br>
                                /Jakob <br>
                                <br>
                                On <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="tel:21.05.14%2009"
                                  value="+4721051409" target="_blank">21.05.14


                                  09</a>:35, Espen Oldeman Lund wrote: </div>
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                                <div dir="ltr"> Det g&aring;r bra. Bedre med
                                  noe import enn ingenting :-)
                                  <div>&nbsp;</div>
                                  <div>De vannene som blir liggende p&aring;
                                    kommunegrensene kan vi importere med
                                    det landsdekkende datasettet i
                                    etterkant.&nbsp;</div>
                                  <div>&nbsp;</div>
                                  <div>Si gjerne ifra her om framgang
                                    slik at jeg og andre kan f&oslash;lge opp
                                    for resten av landet seinere.&nbsp;</div>
                                  <div>&nbsp;</div>
                                  <div>Espen</div>
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                                  <br>
                                  <div class="gmail_quote"> 2014-05-21
                                    9:29 GMT+02:00 "Jakob Toftk&aelig;r" <span>
                                      &lt; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                        href="mailto:jakob@toftkaer.dk"
                                        target="_blank">jakob@toftkaer.dk</a>
                                      &gt; </span> : <br>
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                                        <p style="margin:0"> <span>Jeg
                                            er grundl&aelig;ggende enig at man
                                            burde importere et
                                            landsd&aelig;kkende dataset men
                                            jeg er realistisk omkring
                                            mine egne evner og &oslash;nsker
                                            derfor at g&oslash;re det simpelt.
                                            Men plan var at benytte
                                            JOSMs validator til at
                                            fort&aelig;lle mig om der i
                                            forvejen var et "area" p&aring;
                                            stedet for s&oslash;erne. Hvis der
                                            var et overlap ville jeg
                                            slette den relevante s&oslash; fra
                                            Kartverket dataene. Dette
                                            burde kunne g&oslash;res manuelt
                                            for et begr&aelig;nset omr&aring;de(selv
                                            en kommune med 6000 s&oslash;er)
                                            men ikke for et helt land.</span>
                                        </p>
                                        <p style="margin:0"> <span>&nbsp;</span>
                                        </p>
                                        <p style="margin:0"> <span>
                                            Hvis det er noget som kan
                                            g&oslash;res automatisk og i n&aelig;r
                                            fremtid <span>s&aring; er der
                                              helt sikkert mere
                                              kvalificerede folk derude
                                              end mig :-)&nbsp;og der er
                                              ingen grund til at arbejde
                                              videre med projektet.</span>
                                          </span> </p>
                                        <p style="margin:0"> <span> <span>
                                              <br>
                                            </span> </span> </p>
                                        <p style="margin:0">/Jakob</p>
                                        <div style="margin:5px 0px 5px
                                          0px"> <br>
                                          Den 21. maj 2014 kl. 08:51
                                          skrev Espen Oldeman Lund &lt;
                                          <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                            href="mailto:espen@espenpost.com"
                                            target="_blank">espen@espenpost.com</a>
                                          &gt;: <br>
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                                            <div> <br>
                                              <div>
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                                                  style="margin-left:0px;padding-left:10px;border-left:solid
                                                  1px blue">
                                                  <div dir="ltr"> Bra om
                                                    du tar litt tak i
                                                    vann/innsj&oslash;er. Har
                                                    tenkt &aring; gj&oslash;re noe
                                                    med det sj&oslash;l og i
                                                    tillegg ta inn navn
                                                    p&aring; de vannobjektene
                                                    vi allerede har.&nbsp;
                                                    <div>&nbsp;</div>
                                                    <div>Men for &aring;
                                                      slippe problemet
                                                      med kutta
                                                      vannobjekter p&aring;
                                                      kommunegrensene s&aring;
                                                      kan det kanskje
                                                      v&aelig;re lurt &aring; bruke
                                                      GeoJSON datasettet
                                                      som er
                                                      landsdekkende?</div>
                                                    <div> <a
                                                        moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://data.kartverket.no/download/content/n50-kartdata-wgs84-hele-landet-geojson"
                                                        target="_blank">http://data.kartverket.no/download/content/n50-kartdata-wgs84-hele-landet-geojson</a>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>&nbsp;</div>
                                                    <div>&nbsp;</div>
                                                    <div> Du m&aring; vel i
                                                      alle fall passe p&aring;
                                                      at du ikke tar inn
                                                      objekter der OSM
                                                      allerede har
                                                      vannet inne fra
                                                      f&oslash;r av. S&aring; vi
                                                      burde ha sjekka om
                                                      polygonene
                                                      intersects( <a
                                                        moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://postgis.org/docs/ST_Intersects.html" target="_blank">http://postgis.org/docs/ST_Intersects.html</a>
                                                      ).&nbsp; </div>
                                                    <div>&nbsp;</div>
                                                    <div>Det er jo ogs&aring;
                                                      et sp&oslash;rsm&aring;l om
                                                      vann som henta inn
                                                      fra Landsat og
                                                      liknende b&oslash;r
                                                      byttes ut med
                                                      objekter fra
                                                      Kartverket. Men
                                                      det er vel kanskje
                                                      vanskelig &aring; gj&oslash;re
                                                      det automatisk.
                                                      Kanskje sjekke
                                                      source-taggen?</div>
                                                    <div>&nbsp;</div>
                                                    <div>Espen</div>
                                                    <div>&nbsp;</div>
                                                    <div>&nbsp;</div>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div
                                                    class="gmail_extra">
                                                    <br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    <div
                                                      class="gmail_quote">
                                                      2014-05-20 19:16
                                                      GMT+02:00 Jakob
                                                      Toftk&aelig;r <span>
                                                        &lt; <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:jakob@toftkaer.dk" target="_blank">jakob@toftkaer.dk</a>
                                                        &gt; </span> :
                                                      <br>
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                                                        #ccc
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                                                        <div> Jeg var en
                                                          tur til
                                                          Lysebotn og
                                                          lagde m&aelig;rke
                                                          til at der
                                                          stort set ikke
                                                          var s&oslash;er
                                                          integnet langs
                                                          vejen. Jeg
                                                          begyndte at
                                                          indtegne nogle
                                                          stykker men
                                                          fandt hurtigt
                                                          ud af at det
                                                          ikke var
                                                          realistisk at
                                                          blive f&aelig;rdig.
                                                          Fandt i stedet
                                                          nogle data hos
                                                          Kartverket(
                                                          Kartdata_1129_Forsand_UTM32_N50_SOSI.zip
                                                          ) som jeg fik
                                                          importeret i
                                                          JOSM. Har
                                                          filtreret alt
                                                          v&aelig;k undtagen
                                                          "inns&oslash;er", har
                                                          tagget
                                                          "natural=water",
                                                          "source=kartverket"


                                                          "source:date=2014-06-20"


                                                          samt omd&oslash;bt
                                                          H&Oslash;YDE til
                                                          "ele". <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          F&oslash;r jeg laver
                                                          noget jeg
                                                          fortryder vil
                                                          jeg forh&oslash;re
                                                          mig her f&oslash;rst.
                                                          Det drejer sig
                                                          om over 6000
                                                          ways s&aring; jeg
                                                          kan umuligt
                                                          tjekke dem
                                                          alle sammen.
                                                          Hvad skal jeg
                                                          unders&oslash;ge f&oslash;r
                                                          jeg uploader,
                                                          jeg kan se at
                                                          nogle af
                                                          s&oslash;erne i
                                                          udkandten af
                                                          datas&aelig;ttet er
                                                          sk&aring;ret over og
                                                          skal derfor
                                                          fjernes- g&aring;r
                                                          ud fra at det
                                                          sker ved
                                                          kommunegr&aelig;nsen?
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          JOSM vil
                                                          advare om 2
                                                          s&oslash;er der
                                                          ligger oven p&aring;
                                                          hinanden s&aring;
                                                          jeg p&aring; den
                                                          m&aring;de kan undg&aring;
                                                          at overskrive
                                                          en allerede
                                                          eksisterende
                                                          s&oslash;, ikke? <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          mvh Jakob </div>
                                                        <br>
                                                        _______________________________________________



                                                        <br>
                                                        kart mailing
                                                        list <br>
                                                        <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:kart@nuug.no" target="_blank">kart@nuug.no</a> <br>
                                                        <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://lists.nuug.no/mailman/listinfo/kart" target="_blank">http://lists.nuug.no/mailman/listinfo/kart</a>
                                                      </blockquote>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <br>
                                                    <br clear="all">
                                                    <div>&nbsp;</div>
                                                    -- <br>
                                                    <div> <a
                                                        moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.turkompisen.no" target="_blank">http://www.turkompisen.no</a>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <a
                                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.kresendo.no/" target="_blank">http://www.kresendo.no/</a>
                                                    <br>
                                                    <div> <a
                                                        moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://no.linkedin.com/in/espenisaksen" target="_blank">http://no.linkedin.com/in/espenisaksen</a>
                                                      <br>
                                                    </div>
                                                  </div>
                                                </blockquote>
                                                <br>
                                                &nbsp; </div>
                                            </div>
                                          </div>
                                        </div>
                                      </div>
                                    </blockquote>
                                  </div>
                                  <br>
                                  <br clear="all">
                                  <div>&nbsp;</div>
                                  -- <br>
                                  <div> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="http://www.turkompisen.no"
                                      target="_blank">http://www.turkompisen.no</a>
                                  </div>
                                  <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    href="http://www.kresendo.no/"
                                    target="_blank">http://www.kresendo.no/</a>
                                  <br>
                                  <div> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="http://no.linkedin.com/in/espenisaksen"
                                      target="_blank">http://no.linkedin.com/in/espenisaksen</a>
                                    <br>
                                    <br>
                                  </div>
                                </div>
                              </blockquote>
                              <br>
                              <br>
                              <br>
                              <pre>       _______________________________________________
       kart mailing list
       <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:kart@nuug.no" target="_blank">kart@nuug.no</a>
       <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://lists.nuug.no/mailman/listinfo/kart" target="_blank">http://lists.nuug.no/mailman/listinfo/kart</a>
      </pre>
                            </blockquote>
                            <br>
                            <pre>      --
      Arne &Oslash;stensen
      Byhaugveien 15
      4024 Stavanger
      Tlf. <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="tel:95984180" value="+4795984180" target="_blank">95984180</a>
     </pre>
                          </blockquote>
                          <br>
                          &nbsp; </div>
                      </div>
                    </div>
                    <br>
                    <br>
                    ---------- Videresendt e-post ----------<br>
                    From:&nbsp;Espen Oldeman Lund &lt;<a
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:espen@espenpost.com">espen@espenpost.com</a>&gt;<br>
                    To:&nbsp;"Jakob Toftk&aelig;r" &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:jakob@toftkaer.dk">jakob@toftkaer.dk</a>&gt;<br>
                    Cc:&nbsp;NUUGs kartliste &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:kart@nuug.no">kart@nuug.no</a>&gt;<br>
                    Date:&nbsp;Thu, 22 May 2014 09:29:23 +0200<br>
                    Subject:&nbsp;Re: [NUUG kart] Import af s&oslash;er fra
                    Kartverket<br>
                    <div dir="ltr">Det vil jeg tru er grunnen ogs&aring;
                      Jakob. Bra jobba for&oslash;vrig!
                      <div> <br>
                      </div>
                      <div>Utelot du vann som gikk over kommunegrensa?</div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>Espen</div>
                    </div>
                    <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                      <br>
                      <div class="gmail_quote"> 2014-05-22 9:19
                        GMT+02:00 "Jakob Toftk&aelig;r" <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:jakob@toftkaer.dk"
                            target="_blank">jakob@toftkaer.dk</a>&gt;</span>:<br>
                        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0
                          0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc
                          solid;padding-left:1ex">
                          <div>
                            <p style="margin:0"> <span> Skyldes det
                                ikke at serveren stadig er ved at
                                opdatere kortet? Indtil den er f&aelig;rdig
                                vil de forskellige "tiles" p&aring;
                                forskellige zoom-levels ikke
                                n&oslash;dvendigvis stemme overens med de data
                                der ligger i databasen. Jeg vil tro det
                                er opdateret om 1-2 dage. <span>Klik p&aring;
                                  Edit for at se hvad der faktisk findes
                                  i omr&aring;det.</span> </span> </p>
                            <p style="margin:0px">&nbsp;</p>
                            <p style="margin:0px">/Jakob</p>
                            <p style="margin:0px">&nbsp;</p>
                            <div style="margin:5px 0px 5px 0px"> <br>
                              Den 22. maj 2014 kl. 09:00 skrev "Arne
                              &Oslash;stensen" &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:aostens@gmail.com"
                                target="_blank">aostens@gmail.com</a>&gt;:

                              <br>
                              <br>
                              <div>
                                <blockquote
                                  style="margin-left:0px;padding-left:10px;border-left:solid
                                  1px blue">
                                  <div> Flott Jakob! Tydelig at Forsand
                                    har f&aring;tt mange nye bl&aring; flekker.&nbsp; <br>
                                  </div>
                                  Jeg ser p&aring; omr&aring;det rundt Vikastakken (
                                  <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/58.9247/6.1446"
                                    target="_blank">http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/58.9247/6.1446</a>
                                  ). Her er det noen vann med navn og
                                  noen uten. Hvis jeg zoomer fra 300
                                  meter til 200 meter forsvinner noen
                                  vann mens andre blir. <br>
                                  <div>
                                    <div> Har du noen forklaring p&aring;
                                      dette? <br>
                                      <br>
                                      Arne
                                      <div>Den <a
                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                                          href="tel:21.05.2014%2019"
                                          value="+12105201419"
                                          target="_blank">21.05.2014 19</a>:43,


                                        skrev Jakob Toftk&aelig;r:</div>
                                      <blockquote>
                                        <div> S&aring; skulle Forsand kommune
                                          v&aelig;re opdateret med s&oslash;er fra
                                          Kartverket - ca. 81.000
                                          objekter blev det til. Der
                                          skulle omkring 250 manuelle
                                          &aelig;ndringer til, nogle gange
                                          beholdt jeg de oprindelige
                                          data andre gange beholdt jeg
                                          data fra Kartverket afh&aelig;ngig
                                          af hvad der s&aring; bedst ud. Det
                                          tog 2-3 timers ekstra arbejde.
                                          <br>
                                          <br>
                                          Uploaden blev afbrudt 6-7
                                          gange s&aring; jeg er ikke 100%
                                          sikker p&aring; at JOSM i sidste
                                          ende fik alle &aelig;ndringer med.
                                          Det ser dog ganske fornuftigt
                                          ud i omr&aring;det omrking
                                          Lysefjorden. <br>
                                          <br>
                                          /Jakob <br>
                                          <br>
                                          On <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                            href="tel:21.05.14%2009"
                                            value="+4721051409"
                                            target="_blank">21.05.14 09</a>:35,


                                          Espen Oldeman Lund wrote: </div>
                                        <blockquote>
                                          <div dir="ltr"> Det g&aring;r bra.
                                            Bedre med noe import enn
                                            ingenting :-)
                                            <div>&nbsp;</div>
                                            <div>De vannene som blir
                                              liggende p&aring;
                                              kommunegrensene kan vi
                                              importere med det
                                              landsdekkende datasettet i
                                              etterkant.&nbsp;</div>
                                            <div>&nbsp;</div>
                                            <div>Si gjerne ifra her om
                                              framgang slik at jeg og
                                              andre kan f&oslash;lge opp for
                                              resten av landet seinere.&nbsp;</div>
                                            <div>&nbsp;</div>
                                            <div>Espen</div>
                                          </div>
                                          <div class="gmail_extra"> <br>
                                            <br>
                                            <div class="gmail_quote">
                                              2014-05-21 9:29 GMT+02:00
                                              "Jakob Toftk&aelig;r" <span>
                                                &lt; <a
                                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:jakob@toftkaer.dk" target="_blank">jakob@toftkaer.dk</a>
                                                &gt; </span> : <br>
                                              <blockquote
                                                style="margin:0 0 0
                                                .8ex;border-left:1px
                                                #ccc
                                                solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                                <div>
                                                  <p style="margin:0"> <span>Jeg


                                                      er grundl&aelig;ggende
                                                      enig at man burde
                                                      importere et
                                                      landsd&aelig;kkende
                                                      dataset men jeg er
                                                      realistisk omkring
                                                      mine egne evner og
                                                      &oslash;nsker derfor at
                                                      g&oslash;re det simpelt.
                                                      Men plan var at
                                                      benytte JOSMs
                                                      validator til at
                                                      fort&aelig;lle mig om
                                                      der i forvejen var
                                                      et "area" p&aring;
                                                      stedet for s&oslash;erne.
                                                      Hvis der var et
                                                      overlap ville jeg
                                                      slette den
                                                      relevante s&oslash; fra
                                                      Kartverket
                                                      dataene. Dette
                                                      burde kunne g&oslash;res
                                                      manuelt for et
                                                      begr&aelig;nset
                                                      omr&aring;de(selv en
                                                      kommune med 6000
                                                      s&oslash;er) men ikke for
                                                      et helt land.</span>
                                                  </p>
                                                  <p style="margin:0"> <span>&nbsp;</span>
                                                  </p>
                                                  <p style="margin:0"> <span>
                                                      Hvis det er noget
                                                      som kan g&oslash;res
                                                      automatisk og i
                                                      n&aelig;r fremtid <span>s&aring;
                                                        er der helt
                                                        sikkert mere
                                                        kvalificerede
                                                        folk derude end
                                                        mig :-)&nbsp;og der
                                                        er ingen grund
                                                        til at arbejde
                                                        videre med
                                                        projektet.</span>
                                                    </span> </p>
                                                  <p style="margin:0"> <span>
                                                      <span> <br>
                                                      </span> </span> </p>
                                                  <p style="margin:0">/Jakob</p>
                                                  <div style="margin:5px
                                                    0px 5px 0px"> <br>
                                                    Den 21. maj 2014 kl.
                                                    08:51 skrev Espen
                                                    Oldeman Lund &lt; <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:espen@espenpost.com" target="_blank">espen@espenpost.com</a>
                                                    &gt;: <br>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <div> <br>
                                                        <div>
                                                          <blockquote
                                                          style="margin-left:0px;padding-left:10px;border-left:solid
                                                          1px blue">
                                                          <div dir="ltr">
                                                          Bra om du tar
                                                          litt tak i
                                                          vann/innsj&oslash;er.
                                                          Har tenkt &aring;
                                                          gj&oslash;re noe med
                                                          det sj&oslash;l og i
                                                          tillegg ta inn
                                                          navn p&aring; de
                                                          vannobjektene
                                                          vi allerede
                                                          har.&nbsp;
                                                          <div>&nbsp;</div>
                                                          <div>Men for &aring;
                                                          slippe
                                                          problemet med
                                                          kutta
                                                          vannobjekter
                                                          p&aring;
                                                          kommunegrensene
                                                          s&aring; kan det
                                                          kanskje v&aelig;re
                                                          lurt &aring; bruke
                                                          GeoJSON
                                                          datasettet som
                                                          er
                                                          landsdekkende?</div>
                                                          <div> <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://data.kartverket.no/download/content/n50-kartdata-wgs84-hele-landet-geojson"
target="_blank">http://data.kartverket.no/download/content/n50-kartdata-wgs84-hele-landet-geojson</a>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>&nbsp;</div>
                                                          <div>&nbsp;</div>
                                                          <div> Du m&aring;
                                                          vel i alle
                                                          fall passe p&aring;
                                                          at du ikke tar
                                                          inn objekter
                                                          der OSM
                                                          allerede har
                                                          vannet inne
                                                          fra f&oslash;r av. S&aring;
                                                          vi burde ha
                                                          sjekka om
                                                          polygonene
                                                          intersects( <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://postgis.org/docs/ST_Intersects.html"
target="_blank">http://postgis.org/docs/ST_Intersects.html</a> ).&nbsp; </div>
                                                          <div>&nbsp;</div>
                                                          <div>Det er jo
                                                          ogs&aring; et
                                                          sp&oslash;rsm&aring;l om
                                                          vann som henta
                                                          inn fra
                                                          Landsat og
                                                          liknende b&oslash;r
                                                          byttes ut med
                                                          objekter fra
                                                          Kartverket.
                                                          Men det er vel
                                                          kanskje
                                                          vanskelig &aring;
                                                          gj&oslash;re det
                                                          automatisk.
                                                          Kanskje sjekke
                                                          source-taggen?</div>
                                                          <div>&nbsp;</div>
                                                          <div>Espen</div>
                                                          <div>&nbsp;</div>
                                                          <div>&nbsp;</div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="gmail_extra">
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="gmail_quote">
                                                          2014-05-20
                                                          19:16
                                                          GMT+02:00
                                                          Jakob Toftk&aelig;r
                                                          <span> &lt; <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:jakob@toftkaer.dk" target="_blank">jakob@toftkaer.dk</a>
                                                          &gt; </span>
                                                          : <br>
                                                          <blockquote
                                                          style="margin:0
                                                          0 0
                                                          .8ex;border-left:1px
                                                          #ccc
                                                          solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                                          <div> Jeg var
                                                          en tur til
                                                          Lysebotn og
                                                          lagde m&aelig;rke
                                                          til at der
                                                          stort set ikke
                                                          var s&oslash;er
                                                          integnet langs
                                                          vejen. Jeg
                                                          begyndte at
                                                          indtegne nogle
                                                          stykker men
                                                          fandt hurtigt
                                                          ud af at det
                                                          ikke var
                                                          realistisk at
                                                          blive f&aelig;rdig.
                                                          Fandt i stedet
                                                          nogle data hos
                                                          Kartverket(
                                                          Kartdata_1129_Forsand_UTM32_N50_SOSI.zip
                                                          ) som jeg fik
                                                          importeret i
                                                          JOSM. Har
                                                          filtreret alt
                                                          v&aelig;k undtagen
                                                          "inns&oslash;er", har
                                                          tagget
                                                          "natural=water",
                                                          "source=kartverket"


                                                          "source:date=2014-06-20"


                                                          samt omd&oslash;bt
                                                          H&Oslash;YDE til
                                                          "ele". <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          F&oslash;r jeg laver
                                                          noget jeg
                                                          fortryder vil
                                                          jeg forh&oslash;re
                                                          mig her f&oslash;rst.
                                                          Det drejer sig
                                                          om over 6000
                                                          ways s&aring; jeg
                                                          kan umuligt
                                                          tjekke dem
                                                          alle sammen.
                                                          Hvad skal jeg
                                                          unders&oslash;ge f&oslash;r
                                                          jeg uploader,
                                                          jeg kan se at
                                                          nogle af
                                                          s&oslash;erne i
                                                          udkandten af
                                                          datas&aelig;ttet er
                                                          sk&aring;ret over og
                                                          skal derfor
                                                          fjernes- g&aring;r
                                                          ud fra at det
                                                          sker ved
                                                          kommunegr&aelig;nsen?
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          JOSM vil
                                                          advare om 2
                                                          s&oslash;er der
                                                          ligger oven p&aring;
                                                          hinanden s&aring;
                                                          jeg p&aring; den
                                                          m&aring;de kan undg&aring;
                                                          at overskrive
                                                          en allerede
                                                          eksisterende
                                                          s&oslash;, ikke? <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          mvh Jakob </div>
                                                          <br>
                                                          _______________________________________________



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                                                          <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:kart@nuug.no" target="_blank">kart@nuug.no</a> <br>
                                                          <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://lists.nuug.no/mailman/listinfo/kart" target="_blank">http://lists.nuug.no/mailman/listinfo/kart</a>
                                                          </blockquote>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br
                                                          clear="all">
                                                          <div>&nbsp;</div>
                                                          -- <br>
                                                          <div> <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.turkompisen.no" target="_blank">http://www.turkompisen.no</a>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.kresendo.no/" target="_blank">http://www.kresendo.no/</a>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <div> <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://no.linkedin.com/in/espenisaksen" target="_blank">http://no.linkedin.com/in/espenisaksen</a>
                                                          <br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </blockquote>
                                                          <br>
                                                          &nbsp; </div>
                                                      </div>
                                                    </div>
                                                  </div>
                                                </div>
                                              </blockquote>
                                            </div>
                                            <br>
                                            <br clear="all">
                                            <div>&nbsp;</div>
                                            -- <br>
                                            <div> <a
                                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                                href="http://www.turkompisen.no"
                                                target="_blank">http://www.turkompisen.no</a>
                                            </div>
                                            <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                              href="http://www.kresendo.no/"
                                              target="_blank">http://www.kresendo.no/</a>
                                            <br>
                                            <div> <a
                                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                                href="http://no.linkedin.com/in/espenisaksen"
                                                target="_blank">http://no.linkedin.com/in/espenisaksen</a>
                                              <br>
                                              <br>
                                            </div>
                                          </div>
                                        </blockquote>
                                        <br>
                                        <br>
                                        <br>
                                        <pre>       _______________________________________________
       kart mailing list
       <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:kart@nuug.no" target="_blank">kart@nuug.no</a>
       <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://lists.nuug.no/mailman/listinfo/kart" target="_blank">http://lists.nuug.no/mailman/listinfo/kart</a>
      </pre>
                                      </blockquote>
                                      <br>
                                      <pre>      --
      Arne &Oslash;stensen
      Byhaugveien 15
      4024 Stavanger
      Tlf. <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="tel:95984180" value="+4795984180" target="_blank">95984180</a>
     </pre>
                                    </div>
                                  </div>
                                </blockquote>
                                <br>
                                &nbsp; </div>
                            </div>
                          </div>
                        </blockquote>
                      </div>
                      <br>
                      <br clear="all">
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      -- <br>
                      <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="http://www.turkompisen.no"
                          target="_blank">http://www.turkompisen.no</a></div>
                      <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="http://www.kresendo.no/" target="_blank">http://www.kresendo.no/</a><br>
                      <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="http://no.linkedin.com/in/espenisaksen"
                          target="_blank">http://no.linkedin.com/in/espenisaksen</a><br>
                        <br>
                        <br>
                      </div>
                    </div>
                    <br>
                    _______________________________________________<br>
                    kart mailing list<br>
                    <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:kart@nuug.no">kart@nuug.no</a><br>
                    <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="http://lists.nuug.no/mailman/listinfo/kart"
                      target="_blank">http://lists.nuug.no/mailman/listinfo/kart</a><br>
                    <br>
                  </blockquote>
                </div>
                <br>
              </div>
            </div>
          </div>
        </blockquote>
        <br>
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