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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Har brukt en del ressurser å rydde opp
      og flette med data fra både N50 og eksisterende i dette området.
      Da vil dette arbeidet være forgjeves. <br>
      Jeg tror at det beste ville være å bare slette duplikater. <br>
      Måten å gjøre dette på er å fjerne relasjonene som er duplikater
      og så fjerne alle objekter som ikke er tagget. Duplikate
      relasjoner kan relativt lett gjenkjennes da de har samme antall
      objekter. <br>
      Jeg tror at generell sletting av relasjonene vil gjøre større
      skade enn nytte.<br>
      <br>
      hilsen<br>
       Wolfgang Leister<br>
      <br>
      On 9/14/2018 2:09 PM, Wiklund Johan wrote:<br>
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            også. Totale nytten på lang sikt er mye større enn evt. tap.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">
            <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:kart-bounces@nuug.no">kart-bounces@nuug.no</a> [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:kart-bounces@nuug.no">mailto:kart-bounces@nuug.no</a>]
            <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ola Endre Reitstøen<br>
          </span><b><span
              style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"
              lang="EN-US">Sent:</span></b><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"
            lang="EN-US"> fredag 14. september 2018 14.05<br>
            <b>To:</b> NKA mapper <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nkamapper@gmail.com">&lt;nkamapper@gmail.com&gt;</a><br>
            <b>Cc:</b> NUUGs kartliste <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:kart@nuug.no">&lt;kart@nuug.no&gt;</a><br>
            <b>Subject:</b> Re: [NUUG kart] N50 import av skogsområder i
            Hedmark.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">Hei!<o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">Jeg støtter forslaget om sletting.<o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">Og kan godt hjelpe til med import
                etterpå.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                <o:p></o:p></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span
                                  style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Ola
                                  Endre Reitstøen</span></strong><span
                                style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#999999"><br>
                                <u><a
                                    href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Reitstoen"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Reitstoen</a></u></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">2018-09-14 13:41 GMT+02:00 NKA
                  mapper &lt;<a href="mailto:nkamapper@gmail.com"
                    target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">nkamapper@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal">Vi diskuterte problemene
                          etter N50-importen i Hedmark tidligere i år.
                          Siden den gang har det vært gjort flere
                          forskjellige forsøk på å rydde opp, men
                          problemene er altfor omfattende. Det er
                          fremdeles mange tusen overlappende og/eller
                          duplikate linjer og relasjoner. Dette skyldes
                          blant annet at flere importer er lagt over
                          hverandre uten å erstatte forrige import.
                          Områdene er delvis importert i 2014 og så to
                          eller flere ganger i 2018. Omfanget gjør det
                          umulig å rydde opp manuelt, og sannsynligvis
                          også vanskelig maskinelt fordi mange av de
                          overlappende linjene og relasjonene er litt
                          forskjellige.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal">De 4 kommunene som er
                          omfattet av dette ser ut til å være
                          Stor-Elvdal, Øyer, Åmot og Rendalen. I praksis
                          er mapping av topografi i disse kommunene ikke
                          lenger mulig fordi grunnlaget i OSM er for
                          kaotisk.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal">Jeg tror løsningen på dette
                          er å slette alt fra N50-importen og så
                          importere N50 på nytt. Kommunene vil da være
                          "blanke" så importen bør gå raskt. Det som i
                          så fall vil slettes er
                          natural=wood/wetland/water osv, waterway=*,
                          landuse=residential/Industrial osv og en del
                          andre arealer fra importen. Bør beholde
                          midtlinjen (waterway) i store elver.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal">Se i fra dersom dette ikke
                          er ok. Jeg kan hjelpe med å slette, men ser
                          gjerne at noen med N50-erfaring melder seg på
                          en dugnad her for å få ryddet opp i disse
                          kommunene og gjøre dem redigerbare igjen. Vi
                          må så organisere en rekkefølge i oppryddingen
                          slik at det ikke oppstår konflikter.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#888888"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#888888">/NKA<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal">Den fre. 9. feb.
                                  2018 kl. 11:22 skrev NKA mapper &lt;<a
                                    href="mailto:nkamapper@gmail.com"
                                    target="_blank"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true">nkamapper@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal">Jeg lastet inn
                                      hele importen for de siste 7
                                      dagene i JOSM og trykket
                                      Validering-knappen. Det kommer da
                                      opp 15.571 feilmeldinger og
                                      970.229 advarsler, og det er uten
                                      at noe annet tidligere OSM-innhold
                                      er inne.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal">* 516 duplikate
                                    relasjoner<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal">* 14.803
                                      duplikate linjer<o:p></o:p></p>
                                  </div>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal">* 1.082 "ways
                                      with same position"<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal">* 770.891
                                      duplikate noder<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal">* 171.196
                                      "unconncected nodes without
                                      physical tags/no tags"<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal">* En rekke
                                      interne tags med store bokstaver
                                      fra Kartverket er tatt inn i OSM<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal">Noder og tags
                                      lar seg enkelt korrigere i JOSM,
                                      men det vil være en massiv jobb om
                                      relasjonene og linjene skal
                                      korrigeres manuelt. Jeg tror det
                                      er for mange changesets til å
                                      kunne gjøre en sikker revert på
                                      alt. Slik jeg ser det må enten
                                      noen her lage et skript som rydder
                                      i duplikatene, eller så må vi be
                                      DWG om hjelp - de har sikkert mer
                                      avanserte verktøy. Uansett bør
                                      dette rettes før det går for lang
                                      tid og nye data legges oppå de
                                      gamle.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal">Det er jo
                                      veldig synd dette, for det kom inn
                                      mye fin skog og myr her. Disse
                                      feilene hadde også vært enkle å
                                      rette i JOSM før hver opplasting
                                      om man bare trykker
                                      Validering-knappen og går igjennom
                                      alle feil med f.eks. To-do plugin
                                      (feilmeldingene som kommer opp
                                      automatisk ved opplastingen er
                                      ikke tilstrekkelige).<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal">Hva synes dere
                                      skal gjøres med dette nå?<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal">Hva foreslår du
                                      selv, Håken?<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                                        <p class="MsoNormal">6. februar
                                          2018 kl. 10:52 skrev Ola Endre
                                          Reitstøen &lt;<a
                                            href="mailto:reitstoen@gmail.com"
                                            target="_blank"
                                            moz-do-not-send="true">reitstoen@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
class="gmail-m-1094559793737428659gmail-m8741642120735931554m7317243754541331204m3628390562430588333gmail-gd">Hei
                                                  Håken!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
class="gmail-m-1094559793737428659gmail-m8741642120735931554m7317243754541331204m3628390562430588333gmail-gd">Jeg
                                                  ville tatt det litt
                                                  rolig med importen og
                                                  sjekket kvaliteten på
                                                  det som nettopp er
                                                  importert.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
class="gmail-m-1094559793737428659gmail-m8741642120735931554m7317243754541331204m3628390562430588333gmail-gd">Ser
                                                  det er en god del
                                                  kantlinjer (om ikke
                                                  alle) som ligger
                                                  dobbelt opp. Altså der
                                                  hvor multipolygoner
                                                  deler outer/inner
                                                  ways, grenser mellom
                                                  f.eks myr/skog/vann
                                                  etc.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
class="gmail-m-1094559793737428659gmail-m8741642120735931554m7317243754541331204m3628390562430588333gmail-gd">Importmetoden
                                                  (med tilhørende
                                                  skript) beskrevet på
                                                  wiki'en sørger for at
                                                  dette blir bra:
                                                  <a
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Catalogue/Topography_import_for_Norway#Framgangsm.C3.A5te"
                                                    target="_blank"
                                                    moz-do-not-send="true">
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Catalogue/Topography_import_for_Norway#Framgangsm.C3.A5te</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                            <p>Litt usikker på hvor godt
                                              skriptene fungerer der
                                              hvor det er gjort import
                                              fra før, eller der
                                              objekter allerede er
                                              tagget med
                                              source=Kartverket N50.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
class="gmail-m-1094559793737428659gmail-m8741642120735931554m7317243754541331204m3628390562430588333gmail-gd">mvh</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
class="gmail-m-1094559793737428659gmail-m8741642120735931554m7317243754541331204m3628390562430588333gmail-gd">Ola
                                                  Endre Reitstøen</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
class="gmail-m-1094559793737428659gmail-m8741642120735931554m7317243754541331204m3628390562430588333gmail-gd"><a
href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Reitstoen" target="_blank"
                                                    moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Reitstoen</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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