[NUUG kart] Henvendelse fra Data Working Group om import fra Kartverket

Sverre Didriksen sverre.didriksen at usit.uio.no
Thu Jun 12 09:39:00 CEST 2014

Jeg har ingen innsigelser annet enn at de har spurt om dette før og fått mye av denne informasjonen tidligere.  Det er bare å sende det inn.

Min ytterst personlige mening er at det blir litt håpløst og tungvint at vi skal diskutere med de hver gang vi skal legge inn en vei eller en myr. Det jeg skulle ønske er av vi som har lang erfaring og god kompetanse på dette kunne få lov til å importere data. Og at de hadde oversikt over hvem som er "autorisert" og at de stoppet andre som ikke har greie på hva de driver med, men det tror jeg ikke de klarer.


>-----Original Message-----
>From: kart-bounces at nuug.no [mailto:kart-bounces at nuug.no] On Behalf Of
>Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2014 8:42 PM
>To: kart at nuug.no
>Subject: Re: [NUUG kart] Henvendelse fra Data Working Group om import fra
>Er det ingen som har innsigelser? Eller forslag til forbedringer?
>Skal jeg bare fyre avgårde en e-post til imports at openstreetmap.org?
>9. juni 2014 kl. 12:06 skrev Tor <torsm.news at gmail.com>:
>> Hei
>> Jeg har fått beskjed fra Paul Norman i Data Working Group om å stoppe med
>all import fra Kartverket inntil denne henvendelsen fra i fjor høst er besvart:
>> Jeg tviler på at jeg er den eneste som er kontaktet eller vil bli kontaktet.
>> Vi må altså melde inn importen til OSM-importlista der vi legger frem en plan
>for hvordan importen skal foregå, og der vi svarer ut følgende forhold:
>> * what data is scheduled for import
>> * how is that data converted to OSM - what tags etc.
>> * who does the imports - if it is a community import, how will you make
>> sure that people have enough local knowledge and technical knowledge to
>> do it right
>> * how will conflicts with existing data be handled
>> Jeg har kladdet et utkast til tekst.
>> *Background*
>> In September 2013 the Norwegian Mapping Authority (Kartverket) released
>various data sets under an OSM compatible licence (CC BY 4.0;
>> OSM coverage in Norway varies from good to excellent in major cities to
>very sketchy and imprecise in many rural areas (with huge white spaces on
>the map). Norway is very scarcely populated, and we can't rely on manual
>edits alone if we want to map the entire country. The data that Kartverket has
>released gives us the possibility to raise the quality of OSM in Norway
>> This e-mail concerns imports from the N50 data sets in particular. It does not
>deal with imports from other data sets from Kartverket, such as Vbase or SSR.
>> *What is N50?*
>> N50 is a collection vector data sets used for producing topographic maps
>(typically 1:25 000, 1:50 000 or 1:100 000) for both civilian and military use. N50
>used as the main data source for almost all topographic paper maps published
>in Norway. It is also used for producing electronic maps, such as the Garmin
>topo maps.
>> In general N50 data is of high quality, although some features are
>exaggerated for rendering purposes.
>> *Wiki page*
>> Information about import procedures can be found at the Kartverket
>imports wiki page:
>> The wiki page is a work in progress and will be expanded.
>> *File formats*
>> N50 data is available for download  from Kartverket in SOSI format (divided
>by municipalities) or in geoJSON format (whole country).
>> A description on how to convert data from SOSI is given on the wiki page.
>> *What data is scheduled for import*
>> The wiki page contains a list of the map features that are imported.
>> The wiki page also briefly describes what should not be imported from N50,
>either because the data is not appropriate for OSM (e.g. contour lines),
>because it is imported from other sources or data sets (e.g. place names from
>SSR or roads from Vbase) or because the N50 data is considered to be too
>inaccurate or outdated (e.g. footpaths).
>> Kartverket has made available a product specification for N50:
>> The specification should be consulted before a decision is made to import
>features not already described on the wiki page.
>> *Who does the imports?*
>> This is a community import.
>> Only experienced mappers are encouraged to import data.
>> Data is available in SOSI and geoJSON formats requiring conversion before
>import. Although it does not automatically guarantee that people understand
>the technicalities of OSM, the conversion process in itself requires at least a
>minimum degree of technical insight.
>> The N50 data sets contain huge amounts of data. Mass imports are
>discouraged. People are encouraged to import only small amounts of data at a
>time, and only after validating the data and correcting errors.
>> *Tagging*
>> Only OSM tags are to be used. All Kartverket tags are either removed or
>changed to OSM tags before import.
>> All changesets and imported elements shall be tagged:
>> source=Kartverket
>> source:date=YYYY-MM-DD
>> Tagging guidelines are given on the wiki page.
>> Only features that can be tagged with appropriate OSM tags are imported.
>> *How will conflicts with existing data be handled?*
>> As a general rule, existing data is kept. Data should only be imported if it
>does not already exist or if it is of better quality than existing data.
>> Conflicts with existing data should be sorted out before importing. If in
>doubt, surveying on the ground should be carried out or other sources, such
>as Bing imagery, consulted before existing data is replaced.
>> In cases where imported data is used to replace existing data, importers are
>encouraged to "replace geometry" if possible, thus retaining as much as
>posible of the edit history.
>> In many places in Norway (especially rural areas), conflicts with existing data
>is unlikely to be an issue because there either is no data at all, the particular
>element is missing in OSM, or because it is evident that the element in OSM is
>of much lower quality (e.g. a square lake).
>> *Mailing list*
>> The N50 import process has been discussed on the regular Norwegian OSM
>community mailing list <kart at nuug.no>
>kart mailing list
>kart at nuug.no

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