---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 18:01:41 +0200 (MET DST) From: Herman Robak hermanr@student.matnat.uio.no To: Thomas Diehl thd@kde.org Cc: ragnar@wisloff.no, andreas.landmark@skolelinux.no, gaute@verdsveven.com, Knut.Yrvin@objectware.no, i18n-no@lister.ping.uio.no Subject: [i18n-no] Re: Status nb team (again)?
(I am cc-ing this to the i18n-no list used by Skolelinux' translators)
On Mon, 29 Apr 2002, Thomas Diehl wrote:
Am Sonntag, 28. April 2002 21:48 schrieb Ragnar Wisløff:
Could anybody of you please tell me about the status of the Norwegian nb team?
Since no-one else has replied, I'll risk it.
Thanks. I also got some feedback in private mail. So I still hope we can sort this finally out somehow. (But please keep in mind that there are 50+ other translation teams and that I'm doing this in my spare time as everybody else. I just cannot run after single teams over and over again like I've been doing with the nb team for months already.)
I am facing a similar dilemma: I cannot use much time communicating with upstream maintainers and KDE.
I think the problem now is that there was consensus on finishing the KDE 2.2.2 work, as we will not get KDE 3 until Debian woody gets it.
OK. But KDE language teams are expected to provide translations for the releases their work is included with. If you don't provide translations for 3.0.1 how do you expect us to include your work with this release?
I would not expect you to include it as it stands now. The problem is, we are facing a deadline that comes right _before_ yours: The Skolelinux beta release. More on that below...
Same with future releases. Also teams are not expected to tie themselves to any special distribution but provide translations for _all_ of them by working from and committing to KDE CVS.
You are right. Ideally. But we are not really the "KDE team" of Norway. We took over nb from Kristian, which had no opportunity to continue maintaning it. We did so, because we had to: We are Skolelinux' translation team, and Skolelinux uses KDE 2.2.2 now. In the long run, we want to Do Things Right. But for now, we focus on our own builds and packages and we commit to Debian, on which Skolelinux is based.
After shipping our beta, we can look further and take on work and responsibility for KDE. Now, that's a bit hard to do. Gaute is already a maintainer, I am not. I would love to learn, when I can find the time.
Finally, they are supposed to do this in cooperation with the rest of the KDE language teams. This obviously does not happen either with nb.
I am truly sorry about that, because we do have an multi-language and multi-nationality outlook. We already aim to cover all the Nordic countries. As of now, it has been focus, focus, focus on our own goals. I really hope we will have more time to look around us in the following months!
Herman Robak (on your list of recipients) is the official coordinator in the project and should be the official maintainer.
I cannot find him among the subscribers of kde-i18n-doc@kde.org either. In fact the only one I found is Gaute Hvoslef Kvalnes from the nn team.
Until now, I have not subscribed to that list. I have used Gaute as a mediator, but I must take on more direct responsibility towards KDE. Though I am not too sure if I should... I am somewhat overcommited...
- If we would enforce the infamous "minimum requirements" (kdelibs
and desktop.po fully translated, kdebase at 75% nb would not have been in the 3.0 release and would not be in the upcoming 3.0.1 release either which is due out on May 8. See http://i18n.kde.org/stats/gui/i18n-table-KDE_3_0_BRANCH.html
I understand your frustration, but I am not sure this is going to motivate them.
Well, the only time I saw any real contribution from your school project to the regular KDE translation process was when the language was dropped for (I think) 2.1 or so. Like I said: There is simply no point including nb with any official KDE release if you do not provide translations for this release.
Well, AFAIK the team is well and alive and writing, under the auspices of mr Robak. As to their plans for KDE 3, they will have to answer for themselves.
Sure hope they do and sort this out once and for all now.
I invite all the i18n-no subscribers (ja, alle dere som leser dette) to sort it out. Is anybody interested in being the KDE contact?
Somebody who is not too buzy already?